Mock Draft

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 8:12 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Round-by-round Best and Worst Picks:

WORST

1. Jake Peavy - Maui Dude

2. Jason Bay - Snord

3. Barry Bonds - AGD

4. Roger Clemens - Mathis

5. Jhonny Peralta - Vander

6. Chad Tracy - Chest Rckwl

7. Rocco Baldelli - Scorpion

8. Jeff Francouer - Spyhunter

9. Omar Vizquel - Mathis

10 Bob Wickman - bjoak

Capt Hook and Golden Eagle tie for most dangerous-looking teams with 3 top picks each; Mathis is my favored for the cellar as the only team with two worst picks.

I'll take any and all wagers for my 10 best choices against my 10 worst choices. Any takers? W/R/T Wickman, yeah, I guess I wasn't really playing fair. It seemed that the second run on closers was well under way and I needed one. I didn't go through the work to really figure out who hadn't been taken yet. Still haven't.

Wickman's peripherals make me nervous, as does his health, due to weight more than history. I had a conversation with my father a couple months ago where neither of us could remember his name for some reason and we just kept referring to him as That Fat Guy From Cleveland, e.g.:

"I still needed a closer so I called and asked you who I should take. And you said That Fat Guy From Cleveland."

"Yeah, but That Fat Guy From Cleveland wasn't really the best guy available."

"You kiddin' me? That Fat Gut From Cleveland was fantastic for me. He was getting me two saves a week." [/QUOTE]I read somewhere the other day that a guy was offering even money that Wickman is more likely to have a stroke in 06 than save 40 again.

Mean stuff but funny.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:20 pm

Ive been watching this draft for some time.

It has been very entertaining.NOW the eddiejag good pick , bad pick awards.

WORST 1RD TEJADA and SORAINO wash wont help.

2nd A RAMERIZ lot of injury risk , for pick 20

3rd JOE MAUER and BONDS 1 OR 2 ROUNDS EARLY.

4TH CLEMENS if draft went today , 10th 11th rd

5th PERALTA show me again BLAYLOCK ugly 2nd half

6thROBERTS i dont believe him , look at 2nd half

7th BADELLI when will he be ready,and what to expect, especially speed.

8th O CABRERA no power , went 13th rd in the championship league.

9th B HALL were will he play, VIZQUEL this is the worst pick.

10th FOULKE this might be alright , then again.

I WILL GIVE THE BEST 10 , TOMORROW. JUST AN OPINION.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:59 am

Interesting no one mentions Felippe Lopez as a terrible pick... I thought I reached a bit there!

Spy

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:54 am

Originally posted by Spyhunter:

Interesting no one mentions Felippe Lopez as a terrible pick... I thought I reached a bit there!

Spy OK, you asked for it:

The Lopez pick was horrendous

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:03 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Spyhunter:

Interesting no one mentions Felippe Lopez as a terrible pick... I thought I reached a bit there!

Spy OK, you asked for it:

The Lopez pick was horrendous

[/QUOTE]Not that Lopez is a bad player Spyhunter, but as you mention you DID reach quite a bit to take him at 4-8 ahead of Kent, Cantu, Lugo and Peralta

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:53 am

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

Not that Lopez is a bad player Spyhunter, but as you mention you DID reach quite a bit to take him at 4-8 ahead of Kent, Cantu, Lugo and Peralta

Yes, yes, yes and yes

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:42 am

KENT would have been my pick, but after that i might have gone lopez. OR LUGO.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:11 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Captain Hook:

Not that Lopez is a bad player Spyhunter, but as you mention you DID reach quite a bit to take him at 4-8 ahead of Kent, Cantu, Lugo and Peralta

Yes, yes, yes and yes [/QUOTE]Well, in my defense, he was the only one of those who has the speed / power combo, but yes, all those probably were better picks

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:34 am

Originally posted by Spyhunter:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Captain Hook:

Not that Lopez is a bad player Spyhunter, but as you mention you DID reach quite a bit to take him at 4-8 ahead of Kent, Cantu, Lugo and Peralta

Yes, yes, yes and yes [/QUOTE]Well, in my defense, he was the only one of those who has the speed / power combo, but yes, all those probably were better picks [/QUOTE]Please try to forget that on Sunday, March 19th.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:22 am

Eddiejag,

A. Rameriez is a pretty solid second rounder though maybe a bit high at 20 I agree. He just would not be there when it made it back to me at 41.

In my mind (a small, dark and scary place I admit) I did not classify him as such an injury risk given his age. He missed some days last year, but he still was able to manage 460+ AB with good power (31 HR and 92 RBI) and a 300+ average. Again, his age, playing his home games on natural grass, the team that is around him (especially with the upgrade to leadoff)and his consistent production made him very appealing.

I would be pretty happy with Manny (my first round pick) and Aramis as a good solid core to anchor the power categories not to mention average.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:36 am

EDWARDS KING i too like rameriz , its hard to find any of the 2nd round picks that were off.

Rameriz in my opinion was a little high , thats the highest ive seen him yet in a lot of mock drafts.He is coming off surgery , so their is always a little risk that he could aggravate it.

He never stole bases to begin with , so that wont change. If he is healthy all year , im sure he will be a solid pick.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:18 am

Eddiejag, all good points to be sure. More of a gut call on my part given his potential to put up 1st rounder type numbers.

You kind of also brought up another player that I have spent a bit of time trying to figure out where he would fit in my plans if I had the option. That would be Tejada. I have had him in as a solid first rounder myself, but for some reason I am questioning that, but I cannot put my finger on why.

I do not think there is much chance of him NOT going in the first round given what I have seen on the mock drafts and past history (unless he has a bad or unhealthy spring training). But I have noticed more than a few are questioning his worth. He of course is not SB help, but I had him two years ago (1st round, 11th pick) and he was golden. I believe he led the AL in RBI's that year.

All of that to ask this...is it just that he is unhappy in Baltimore or is it that he will never hit near the 2004 numbers again? If it would not give away any big draft strategies, I would like your opinion (and others as well). Just fodder for a mid-week in Februay. Maybe I will bring it up on Tom's chats, too.

Kevin D · Post by **Kevin D** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:53 am

I hear the concern is he might be a "Substance" Guy. That his slow down in the second half was because he was forced off the "Juice" by the scrutiny he was under due to the Palmerio thing. It's all speculation of course but if he comes in 20 lbs lighter and less Pop it would make you think about the #'s he put up in the "Steroid Era."

[ February 08, 2006, 10:33 AM: Message edited by: Kevin D ]

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:21 am

EDWARDS KING, i passed on TEJADA with the 21st pick in the magazine draft. I dont want no part of him.I had him in the mid season league , and he did nothing for half a season. The steroid thing is a possibility that i believe.If his bavg drops and his power is close to his 2nd half stats , your going to have some horrible value for a 1st rd pick.I think a 20 hr 85 rbi and 280 bavg is more possible , then his 2004 numbers.SORAINO is another 1st rd pick who scares me. Especially in WASHINGTON , and he's not very happy if he's put in the outfield.

Of course i could be off a little on these guys , but you wont see them on my team.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:43 am

OK time for the picks that i like.

1st rd . pick 12 derek lee, and pick 13 santana, both guys fell a lot.

2nd jimmy rollins pk 29 great 1st rd value here.

3rd UTLEY and HAFNER 2 guys i love who wont make it to the 3rd rd in many leagues.

4th SIZEMORE is scary good. Will never go this late in VEGAS main event.

5th KENT dont like that he's 38 but 100 rbi and a 100 runs 25 to 30 hr and good bavg. YES

6TH MORA the last pick in rd 6 , had a great last 2 months to save his season. stay healthy.

7th BURRELL getting 37 hr and 117 rbi and a 281 bavg this late. doesnt happen.

8th ALL 4 CLOSERS in this rd fell . they will all go higher in the main event.

9th LACKEY and WEBB love both these guys.

10th MYERS and HAREN see above ditto.

Well their you have it. thank you for letting me drop in.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:48 am

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Spyhunter:

Interesting no one mentions Felippe Lopez as a terrible pick... I thought I reached a bit there!

Spy OK, you asked for it:

The Lopez pick was horrendous

[/QUOTE]Not that Lopez is a bad player Spyhunter, but as you mention you DID reach quite a bit to take him at 4-8 ahead of Kent, Cantu, Lugo and Peralta

[/QUOTE]Guess looking back now Felippe Wasn't such a stretch was he?

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:04 am

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Captain Hook:

MB MOCK DRAFT

1-1 Doughboys - Alex Rodriguez, 3B, NYY

1-2 Nevadaman - Albert Pujols, 1B, STL

1-3 djoak - Vladimir Guerrero, OF, LAA

1-4 Chest Rockwell - Miguel Cabrera, OF, FLA

1-5 Rotospin.com - Bobby Abreu, OF, PHL

1-6 Scorpion - Carlos Beltran, OF, NYM

1-7 Don Mathis - Mark Teixeira, 1B, TEX

1-8 Spy Hunter - Alfonzo Soriano, 2B, WAS - Monster. Too bad I didn't pick in real life, though Carl Crawford has been fine.

1-9 Golden Eagle - Carl Crawford, OF, TB

1-10 Kimo - Miguel Tejada, SS, BAL

1-11 Edwards Kings - Manny Ramirez, OF, BOS

1-12 Captain Hook - Derrek Lee, 1B, CHC

1-13 God Loves You - Johan Santana, P, MIN

1-14 Maui Dude - Jake Peavy, P, SD

1-15 Snord 35 - David Ortiz, UT, BOS

2-1 Snord 35 - Jason Bay, OF, PIT

2-2 Maui Dude - Chris Carpenter, P, STL

2-3 dv0328 - Ichiro Suzuki, OF, SEA

2-4 Captain Hook - David Wright, 3B, NYM

2-5 Edwards Kings - Aramis Ramirez, 3B, CHC

2-6 Kimo - Michael Young, SS, TEX

2-7 Golden Eagle - Todd Helton, 1B, COL

2-8 Spy Hunter - Andruw Jones, OF, ATL - 2nd highest of his career (RBI an HR) but only 37 hr and 128 rbi so far...

2-9 Don Mathis - Gary Sheffield, OF, NYY

2-10 Scorpion - Rafael Furcal, SS, LAD

2-11 Rotospin.com - Chone Figgins, 3B, LAA

2-12 Chest Rockwell - Jose Reyes, SS, NYM

2-13 djoak - Juan Pierre, OF, CHC

2-14 Nevadaman - Jimmy Rollins, SS, PHL

2-15 Doughboys - Derek Jeter, SS, NYY

3-1 Doughboys - Chase Utley, 2B, PHL

3-2 Nevadaman - Pedro Martinez, P,NYM

3-3 djoak - Paul Konerko, 1B, CWS

3-4 Chest Rockwell - Roy Oswalt, P, HOU

3-5 Rotospin.com - Carlos Lee, OF, MLW

3-6 Scorpion - Travis Hafner, UT, CLE

3-7 Don Mathis - Hideki Matsui, OF, NYY

3-8 Spy Hunter - Lance Berkman, 1B, HOU - Monster

3-9 Golden Eagle - Adam Dunn, OF, CIN

3-10 Kimo - Victor Martinez, C, CLE

3-11 Edwards Kings - Carlos Delgado, 1B, NYM

3-12 Captain Hook - Joe Mauer, C, MIN

3-13 dv0328 - Scott Podsednik, OF, CWS

3-14 agd (3) - Barry Bonds, OF, SF

3-15 CC (3) - Brad Lidge, P, HOU

4-1 CC (3) - Ben Sheets, P, MLW

4-2 agd (3) - Richie Sexson, 1B, SEA

4-3 Vander - Francisco Rodriguez, P, LAA

4-4 Captain Hook - Marcus Giles, 2B, ATL

4-5 Edwards Kings - Grady Sizemore, OF, CLE

4-6 Kimo - Johnny Damon, OF, NYY

4-7 Golden Eagle - Eric Chavez, 3B, OAK

4-8 Spy Hunter - Felipe Lopez, SS, CIN - 12 hr, 48 sb, 98 runs so far, not too shabby

4-9 Don Mathis - Roger Clemens, P, FA

4-10 Scorpion - Matt Holliday, OF, COL

4-11 Rotospin.com - Mariano Rivera, P, NYY

4-12 Chest Rockwell - Joe Nathan, P, MIN

4-13 djoak - Mark Prior, P, CHC

4-14 Nevadaman - Billy Wagner, P, NYM

4-15 Doughboys - Morgan Ensberg, 3B, HOU

5-1 Doughboys - Josh Beckett, P, BOS

5-2 Nevadaman - Jeff Kent, 2B, LAD

5-3 djoak - Chad Cordero, P, WAS

5-4 Chest Rockwell - Jorge Cantu, 2B, TB

5-5 Rotospin.com (dak) - Hank Blalock, 3B, TEX

5-6 Scorpion - Roy Halladay, P, TOR

5-7 Don Mathis - Randy Johnson, P, NYY

5-8 Spy Hunter - BJ Ryan, P, TOR - one of the few closers who held up (unlike lidge and izzy for me in the real thing)

5-9 Golden Eagle - Felix Hernandez, P, SEA

5-10 Kimo - Troy Glaus, 3B, TOR

5-11 Edwards Kings - Julio Lugo, SS, ATL

5-12 Captain Hook - Chipper Jones, CI, ATL

5-13 Vander - Jhonny Peralta, SS, CLE

5-14 agd (3) - Huston Street, P, OAK

5-15 CC (3) - Richie Weeks, 2B, MLW

6-1 CC - Vernon Wells, OF, TOR

6-2 agd(3) - Brian Roberts, 2B, BAL

6-3 Vander - Ryan Howard, 1B, PHL

6-4 Captain Hook - Dontrelle Willis, P, FLA

6-5 Edwards Kings - Rich Harden, P, OAK

6-6 Kimo - Jim Thome, 1B, CWS

6-7 Golden Eagle - Carlos Zambrano, P, CHC

6-8 Spy Hunter - Scott Rolen, 3B, STL - huge comeback (as I predicted!

6-9 Don Mathis - Andy Pettitte, P, HOU

6-10 Scorpion - Jim Edmonds, OF, STL

6-11 DAK (6) - Aubrey Huff, 1B, TB

6-12 Chest Rockwell - Chad Tracy, 1B/OF, AZ

6-13 bjoak - Jason Giambi, 1B, NYY

6-14 Nevadaman - Randy Winn, OF, SF

6-15 Doughboys - Melvin Mora, 3B, BAL

7-1 Doughboys - Brian Giles, OF, SD

7-2 Nevadaman - Bobby Crosby, SS, OAK

7-3 bjoak - Jason Varitek, C, BOS

7-4 Chest Rockwell - Covelli Crisp, OF, CLE

7-5 DAK (6) - Edgar Renteria, SS, ATL

7-6 Scorpion - Rocco Baldelli, OF, TB

7-7 Don Mathis - Torii Hunter, OF, MIN

7-8 Spy Hunter - John Smoltz, P, ATL - Monster except wins are only at 14, but great era, whip, Ks

7-9 Golden Eagle - Tadahito Iguchi, 2B, CWS

7-10 Kimo - Jason Schmidt, P, SF

7-11 Edwards Kings - Eric Gagne, P, LAD

7-12 Captain Hook - Derrick Turnbow, P, MLW

7-13 Vander - Pat Burrell, OF, PHL

7-14 agd (3) - Adrian Beltre, 3B, SEA

7-15 CC (3) - AJ Burnett, P, TOR

8-1 CC - Nomar Garciaparra, SS, LAD

8-2 agd(3) - Ryan Freel, 2B/OF, CIN

8-3 Vander - Trevor Hoffman, P, SD

8-4 Captain Hook - Orlando Cabrera, SS, LAA

8-5 Edwards Kings - Mark Buehrle, P, CWS

8-6 Kimo - Brad Wilkerson, OF, TEX

8-7 Golden Eagle - Clint Barmes, SS, COL

8-8 Spy Hunter - Jeff Francoeur, OF, ATL - decent but not great. 26hrs, 98 rbi, only .260 BA

8-9 Don Mathis - Jason Isringhausen, P, STL

8-10 Scorpion - Francisco Cordero, P, TEX

8-11 DAK (6) - Javy Lopez, C, BAL

8-12 Red Sox Nation (8) - Armando Benitez, P, SF

8-13 bjoak - Ivan Rodriguez, C, DET

8-14 Nevadaman - Shawn Green, OF, AZ

8-15 Doughboys - Bartolo Colon, P, LAA

9-1 Doughboys - Tim Hudson, P, ATL

9-2 Nevadaman - Bobby Jenks, P, CWS

9-3 bjoak - Bill Hall, MI/3B, MLW

9-4 Red Sox Nation - Curt Schilling, P, BOS

9-5 DAK (6) - John Lackey, P, ANA

9-6 Scorpion - Robinson Cano, 2B, NYY

9-7 Don Mathis - Omar Vizquel, SS, SF

9-8 Spy Hunter - Zach Duke, P, PIT - Big disapointment!

9-9 Golden Eagle - Jorge Posada, C, NYY

9-10 Kimo - Brandon Webb, P, AZ

9-11 Edwards Kings - Jay Gibbons, OF, BAL

9-12 Captain Hook - Micahel Barrett, C, CHC

9-13 Vander - Ramon Hernandez, C, BAL

9-14 agd (3) - Cliff Floyd, OF, NYM

9-15 CC (3) - Khalil Greene, SS, SD

10-1 CC - Jose Valverde, P, AZ

10-2 agd(3) - Eddie Guardado, P, SEA

10-3 Vander - Shea Hillenbrand, 1B, TOR

10-4 Captain Hook - Tom Gordon, P, PHL

10-5 Edwards Kings - Mark Loretta, 2B, BOS

10-6 Kimo - Ryan Demptser, P, CHC

10-7 Golden Eagle - Magglio Ordonez, OF, DET

10-8 Spy Hunter - Preston Wilson, OF, HOU - Very mediocre, 15hr, 9sb only

10-9 Don Mathis - Keith Foulke, P, BOS

10-10 Scorpion - Lyle Overbay, 1B, TOR

10-11 DAK (6) - Brett Myers, P, PHL

10-12 Red Sox Nation (8) - Garrett Anderson, OF, LAA

10-13 bjoak - Bob Wickman, P, CLE

10-14 Nevadaman - Danny Haren, P, OAK

10-15 Doughboys - J.D. Drew, OF, LAD [/QUOTE

Did anyone draft a team that turned out better than this. My only big disapointments where Duke and Wilson, but Alfonzo, Berkman, Rolen, Smotlz all more than made up for it. Too bad I didn't draft this well in real life!

1-8 Spy Hunter - Alfonzo Soriano, 2B, WAS - Monster.

2-8 Spy Hunter - Andruw Jones, OF, ATL - Fine

3-8 Spy Hunter - Lance Berkman, 1B, HOU - Monster

4-8 Spy Hunter - Felipe Lopez, SS, CIN - Fine

5-8 Spy Hunter - BJ Ryan, P, TOR - Very Good

6-8 Spy Hunter - Scott Rolen, 3B, STL - Monster(based on where picked)

7-8 Spy Hunter - John Smoltz, P, ATL - Monster

8-8 Spy Hunter - Jeff Francoeur, OF, ATL - Fine

9-8 Spy Hunter - Zach Duke, P, PIT - Poor

10-8 Spy Hunter - Preston Wilson, OF, HOU - Poor

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:55 am

I got R. Howard in the sixth, but no yours was a much better draft. How did you do in the real one?

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:04 am

Had forgotten all about this. Had poor results in the NFBC, but would have been worse with this line-up (rounds 5-10) Lugo, Harden, Gagne, Beuhrle, Gibbons, Loretta...uggggh!

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:48 pm

Originally posted by Vander:

I got R. Howard in the sixth, but no yours was a much better draft. How did you do in the real one? Howard in the 6th has to be one of the great value picks ever I thought he would have trouble vs. lefities. Obviously not...

I ended up 98th overall, and 6th in my league with 94 points. I had some great picks: Hanley Ramirez, Rolen, Schilling. but some terrible ones like: Hermidia, F. Hernandez (over Thome) and Orvella (over Willingham).

I did better in my mixed auction team, finished 2nd on final day after leading 5.5 out of 6 months. Oh well.

How did you do?

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:19 pm

I did better in the real thing than the mock draft. I won my league finishing 31 overall. I was lucky enough to get Jeter in the 3rd round and thanks to extensive mock drafting I knew there was a high probability of getting Morneau in the 10th which I did. I also got Vizquel late and Cuddyer even later. Few injuries never hurts either.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:58 am

very nice. I was anti mornieau because I thought he had bone chips in his elbow... I was wrong

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:19 am

Hey, do any of you guys have an idea of what the 2007 5th round will look like? I have a good idea about the pitchers that will go there. I have no clue as to what position players may go in the 5th or 6th. Any guesses?

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:21 am

1 more question. How bout the good, but can't stay healthy pitchers like Sheets, Prior, and Harden. Where do they go?

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:07 am

Originally posted by Vander:

Hey, do any of you guys have an idea of what the 2007 5th round will look like? I have a good idea about the pitchers that will go there. I have no clue as to what position players may go in the 5th or 6th. Any guesses? If I had to guess at this way early stage, I think there are going to be wholesale (say half) changes in the first round as several players return (Soriano) or make their first appearence (Howard). That being said, expect many players to get pushed back a round. Whether or not the effect is still active by the fifth, I would not know. But I would bet many of the players who were taken in the fourth in '06 end up in the fifth in '07.

What the general "mood" or "consensus" of the Mock Drafts of Febuary or March will also impact. In 2006 speed seemed to be the thing and in my league Saves went at a premium (eleven CL were taken in the fourth and fifth). Nice conjecture, but whatever we think now will certainly change.