CreativeSports.com 15-Team Mock Draft Tonight

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:26 am

I will be part of tonight's CreativeSports.com mock draft for their pre-season magazine tonight along with some other familiar faces in the NFBC. I think I have pick 11. I'll provide some of the early results tomorrow for all to see. Stay tuned.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:42 am

Guess I should cross Kazmir off my list

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:44 am

Greg/Todd - where is the draft being held and is there a way we can see the early rounds in (near) real time?

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:54 am

Mock Draft Central-- it is their Fantasy Baseball Guide magazine mock.

I'll check with the powers that be about access.

But you have to promise to buy the magazine

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:39 am

Originally posted by ToddZ:

Guess I should cross Kazmir off my list

I'm laying off him tonight. You are right, let's see where he really falls without me inflating his value!!

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:51 pm

Will be fascinating to see where Holliday goes...

751542 · Post by **751542** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:55 pm

ker plunk....i would predict middle of 2nd 22-28

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:13 pm

23 rounds, 15 teams, 2 hours and 5 minutes. And that was without any updated listings in the que for 2008. Man, what a speed draft.

Todd was in it too. He can post the first few rounds if he'd like or I'll do it tomorrow morning. Great fun and a lot of knowledgeable owners. I think Holliday went mid first and Matt Wieters went 14.2. I was going to take him 14th or 15th round. Bummer. I think I got Ramon Hernandez like in the 18th round instead.

Good stuff and I'll post tomorrow.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:01 pm

I think Holliday went mid first and Matt Wieters went 14.2.Wow, there are two guys I won't have to worry about on draft day.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:17 pm

Round Team Player Pos Team Pick Time

R1 P1 Peter Kreutzer Pujols, Albert 1B STL 32s

R1 P2 Alex Cushing Ramirez, Hanley SS FLA 16s

R1 P3 Nando Di Fino Rodriguez, Alex 3B NYY 3s

R1 P4 Todd Zola Reyes, Jose SS NYM 14s

R1 P5 Brendan Roberts Utley, Chase 2B PHI 44s

R1 P6 JD Bolick Wright, David 3B NYM 4s

R1 P7 Mike Lombardo Kinsler, Ian 2B TEX 17s

R1 P8 Doug Dennis Berkman, Lance 1B HOU 19s

R1 P9 Greg Ambrosius Sizemore, Grady OF CLE 11s

R1 P10 Geoffrey Stein Cabrera, Miguel 1B DET 23s

R1 P11 Damon Lichtenwalner Santana, Johan SP NYM 15s

R1 P12 David Gonos Hamilton, Josh OF TEX 10s

R1 P13 Lawr Michaels Crawford, Carl OF TB 6s

R1 P14 Derek VanRiper Braun, Ryan OF MIL 17s

R1 P15 Scott White Howard, Ryan 1B PHI 32s

R2 P1 Scott White Holliday, Matt OF OAK 16s

R2 P2 Derek VanRiper Suzuki, Ichiro OF SEA 7s

R2 P3 Lawr Michaels Upton, B.J. OF TB 37s

R2 P4 David Gonos Teixeira, Mark 1B ANA 14s

R2 P5 Damon Lichtenwalner Longoria, Evan 3B TB 41s

R2 P6 Geoffrey Stein Rollins, Jimmy SS PHI 3s

R2 P7 Greg Ambrosius Beltran, Carlos OF NYM 30s

R2 P8 Doug Dennis Pedroia, Dustin 2B BOS 5s

R2 P9 Mike Lombardo Phillips, Brandon 2B CIN 22s

R2 P10 JD Bolick Soriano, Alfonso OF CHC 21s

R2 P11 Brendan Roberts Ramirez, Manny OF LA 42s

R2 P12 Todd Zola Lee, Carlos OF HOU 1m 46s

R2 P13 Nando Di Fino Hamels, Cole SP PHI 8s

R2 P14 Alex Cushing Bay, Jason OF BOS 1m 9s

R2 P15 Peter Kreutzer Rios, Alex OF TOR 22s

R3 P1 Peter Kreutzer Martin, Russell C LA 10s

R3 P2 Alex Cushing Morneau, Justin 1B MIN 16s

R3 P3 Nando Di Fino Fielder, Prince 1B MIL 4s

R3 P4 Todd Zola Roberts, Brian 2B BAL 55s

R3 P5 Brendan Roberts Lincecum, Tim SP SF 33s

R3 P6 JD Bolick McCann, Brian C ATL 7s

R3 P7 Mike Lombardo Quentin, Carlos OF CHW 49s

R3 P8 Doug Dennis Mauer, Joe C MIN 5s

R3 P9 Greg Ambrosius Granderson, Curtis OF DET 1m 2s

R3 P10 Geoffrey Stein Markakis, Nick OF BAL 8s

R3 P11 Damon Lichtenwalner Guerrero, Vladimir OF ANA 18s

R3 P12 David Gonos Soto, Geovany C CHC 11s

R3 P13 Lawr Michaels Figgins, Chone 3B ANA 8s

R3 P14 Derek VanRiper Ellsbury, Jacoby OF BOS 48s

R3 P15 Scott White Youkilis, Kevin 1B, 3B BOS 1m 5s

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:36 am

More...must feed excel...must crunch numbers....

No smashing outliers so far but a couple of folks showing some man-love for the likes of Hamels, Figgins, and Soto (third consecutive draft that Soto has been picked earlier than the preceding draft).

[ November 13, 2008, 06:38 AM: Message edited by: Edwards Kings ]

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:40 am

Greg,

Kind of got that five tool OF strategy working for ya, huh?

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:11 am

R4 P1 Scott White Sabathia, C.C. SP MIL 47s

R4 P2 Derek VanRiper Furcal, Rafael SS LA 29s

R4 P3 Lawr Michaels Webb, Brandon SP ARI 9s

R4 P4 David Gonos Ortiz, David DH BOS 20s

R4 P5 Damon Lichtenwalner Halladay, Roy SP TOR 27s

R4 P6 Geoffrey Stein Ramirez, Aramis 3B CHC 11s

R4 P7 Greg Ambrosius Ramirez, Alexei 2B CHW 1m 9s

R4 P8 Doug Dennis Kemp, Matt OF LA 12s

R4 P9 Mike Lombardo Gonzalez, Adrian 1B SD 15s

R4 P10 JD Bolick Beckett, Josh SP BOS 55s

R4 P11 Brendan Roberts Dunn, Adam OF ARI 36s

R4 P12 Todd Zola Ordonez, Magglio OF DET 30s

R4 P13 Nando Di Fino Kazmir, Scott SP TB 9s

R4 P14 Alex Cushing Hart, Corey OF MIL 1m 14s

R4 P15 Peter Kreutzer Abreu, Bobby OF NYY 40s

R5 P1 Peter Kreutzer Martinez, Victor C CLE 55s

R5 P2 Alex Cushing Victorino, Shane OF PHI 51s

R5 P3 Nando Di Fino Uggla, Dan 2B FLA 5s

R5 P4 Todd Zola Peavy, Jake SP SD 5s

R5 P5 Brendan Roberts Pence, Hunter OF HOU 32s

R5 P6 JD Bolick Young, Chris OF ARI 1m 5s

R5 P7 Mike Lombardo Haren, Dan SP ARI 28s

R5 P8 Doug Dennis McLouth, Nate OF PIT 7s

R5 P9 Greg Ambrosius Lee, Cliff SP CLE 10s

R5 P10 Geoffrey Stein Pena, Carlos 1B TB 5s

R5 P11 Damon Lichtenwalner Davis, Chris 1B, 3B TEX 44s

R5 P12 David Gonos Lackey, John SP ANA 36s

R5 P13 Lawr Michaels Lee, Derrek 1B CHC 5s

R5 P14 Derek VanRiper Bruce, Jay OF CIN 6s

R5 P15 Scott White Huff, Aubrey 3B, 1B BAL 28s

R6 P1 Scott White Drew, Stephen SS ARI 8s

R6 P2 Derek VanRiper Liriano, Francisco SP MIN 32s

R6 P3 Lawr Michaels Young, Michael SS TEX 7s

R6 P4 David Gonos Lester, Jon SP BOS 7s

R6 P5 Damon Lichtenwalner Votto, Joey 1B CIN 16s

R6 P6 Geoffrey Stein Lidge, Brad RP PHI 7s

R6 P7 Greg Ambrosius Tulowitzki, Troy SS COL 40s

R6 P8 Doug Dennis Peralta, Jhonny SS CLE 4s

R6 P9 Mike Lombardo Harden, Rich SP CHC 12s

R6 P10 JD Bolick Santana, Ervin SP ANA 40s

R6 P11 Brendan Roberts Papelbon, Jonathan RP BOS 6s

R6 P12 Todd Zola Jones, Chipper 3B ATL 9s

R6 P13 Nando Di Fino Volquez, Edinson SP CIN 9s

R6 P14 Alex Cushing Hernandez, Felix SP SEA 56s

R6 P15 Peter Kreutzer Oswalt, Roy SP HOU 59s

R7 P1 Peter Kreutzer Atkins, Garrett 3B, 1B COL 1m 8s

R7 P2 Alex Cushing Zimmerman, Ryan 3B WAS 12s

R7 P3 Nando Di Fino Tejada, Miguel SS HOU 15s

R7 P4 Todd Zola Dye, Jermaine OF CHW 6s

R7 P5 Brendan Roberts Jeter, Derek SS NYY 13s

R7 P6 JD Bolick Rodriguez, Francisco RP ANA 45s

R7 P7 Mike Lombardo Shields, James SP TB 20s

R7 P8 Doug Dennis Delgado, Carlos 1B NYM 6s

R7 P9 Greg Ambrosius Nathan, Joe RP MIN 26s

R7 P10 Geoffrey Stein Ibanez, Raul OF SEA 7s

R7 P11 Damon Lichtenwalner Kendrick, Howie 2B ANA 4s

R7 P12 David Gonos Cano, Robinson 2B NYY 6s

R7 P13 Lawr Michaels Matsuzaka, Daisuke SP BOS 6s

R7 P14 Derek VanRiper Posada, Jorge C NYY 8s

R7 P15 Scott White Billingsley, Chad SP LA 52s

R8 P1 Scott White Ludwick, Ryan OF STL 25s

R8 P2 Derek VanRiper Beltre, Adrian 3B SEA 21s

R8 P3 Lawr Michaels Zambrano, Carlos SP CHC 6s

R8 P4 David Gonos Hardy, J.J. SS MIL 4s

R8 P5 Damon Lichtenwalner Greene, Khalil SS SD 6s

R8 P6 Geoffrey Stein Chamberlain, Joba RP NYY 7s

R8 P7 Greg Ambrosius Gallardo, Yovani SP MIL 40s

R8 P8 Doug Dennis Ethier, Andre OF LA 1m 54s

R8 P9 Mike Lombardo Byrnes, Eric OF ARI 6s

R8 P10 JD Bolick Burnett, A.J. SP TOR 5s

R8 P11 Brendan Roberts Hunter, Torii OF ANA 57s

R8 P12 Todd Zola Doumit, Ryan C PIT 3s

R8 P13 Nando Di Fino Bedard, Erik SP SEA 4s

R8 P14 Alex Cushing Rivera, Mariano RP NYY 43s

R8 P15 Peter Kreutzer Hawpe, Brad OF COL 55s

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:46 am

Looks like from this patch Jay Bruce has joined Soto as preseason hot picks. Two outliers here:

Khalil Green in the top 10 rounds? Even Baltimore is not sure they want him.

Jorge Posada in the 7th round?

[ November 13, 2008, 07:47 AM: Message edited by: Edwards Kings ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:09 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Greg,

Kind of got that five tool OF strategy working for ya, huh? Thanks Todd for posting these results. This should keep the beasts content in their cages for awhile!

Yeah Wayne, I started out with Sizemore, Beltran and Granderson, three outfielders and three 5-tool guys. I think I could have had Kemp in the fourth, but opted for Alexei Ramirez instead. I don't have any big boppers or big SB guys, but the total could be better than the individual parts.

This draft we had to fill our 23-man rosters as we only went 23 rounds, so it was slightly different than an NFBC draft. But it was fun and it was good to see so many industry guys embrace the 15-team mixed league concept. Kudos to Lawr Michaels for running the results of this format in his pre-season publication. Buy the magazine in early January for complete results.

Here's my team, for what it's worth:

C- AJ Pierzynski

C- Ramon Hernandez

1B - Conor Jackson

2B - Alexei Ramirez

SS - Troy Tulowitzki

3B - Alex Gordon

CI - Mark Reynolds

MI - Felipe Lopez

UT - Jose Guillen

OF - Grady Sizemore

OF - Carlos Beltran

OF - Curtis Granderson

OF - Johnny Damon

OF - Freddie Lewis

P - Cliff Lee

P - Yovani Gallardo

P - Ted Lilly

P - Jered Weaver

P - Mark Buerhle

P - Tim Hudson

P - Joe Nathan

P - Huston Street

P - George Sherrill

I tried to draft a solid BA, solid ERA and WHIP and not reach for too many young guys. I needed power late in the draft and grabbed Reynolds, hoping for more of the .260 average than the .239 version of last year. I could have taken Glaus instead of Gordon, but figured in November I'd go with the more upside. I went with only six starters, knowing if this were a 30-round draft I could add more starters later. Guys like Mike Mussina were still out there at the end.

Have fun with the results and we'll have our magazine drafts in early December.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:27 am

And here's my complete squad from the 4-hole --fire away with comments/criticisms...

C- Ryan Doumit 8

C- Bengi Molina 13

1B - Paul Konerko 12

2B - Brian Roberts 3

SS - Jose Reyes 4

3B - Chipper Jones 6

CI - Kevin Kouzmanoff 18

MI - Orlando Cabrera 11

UT - Casey Blake 21

OF - Carlos Lee 2

OF - Magglio Ordonez 4

OF - Jermaine Dye 7

OF - Mike Cameron 15

OF - Aaron Rowand 19

P - Jake Peavy 5

P - Ricky Nolasco 9

P - Josh Johnson 14

P - Jeremy Guthrie 17

P - David Bush 20

P - Kyle Lohse 22

P - Francisco Cordero 10

P - Brian Fuentes 16

P - Scot Shields 23

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:10 am

One player who dropped more than I expected in this draft was Derek Jeter, who was the 10th shortstop selected as he went 95th overall. I certainly understand why he could go after Stephen Drew, Troy Tulowitzki, Michael Young, Jhonny Peralta and Miguel Tejada, but it was surprising. I guess only 11 homers, 11 stolen bases and 88 runs will do that to ya.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:26 am

is anybody surprised to see albert once again at the top? jason bay in the second round is the biggest early round surprise to me. i was a huge bay fan, but it seemed like he lost a lot when all the steroid issues emerged. maybe he just need a change of venue and maybe beantown will revitalize his career. i'm also surprised to see 8 SP's taken before peavy. especially doc, and the injury prone duo of beckett and kazmir. maybe his injury this year scares everyone, but i have a feeling a new team and we'll see the cy young peavy we all know that was drafted in the early rounds last year.

[ November 13, 2008, 10:36 AM: Message edited by: kentuckythunder ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:33 am

Originally posted by kentuckythunder:

is anybody surprised to see albert once again at the top? jason bay in the second round is the biggest early round surprise to me. i was a huge bay fan, but it seemed like he lost a lot when all the steroid issues emerged. maybe he just need a change of venue and maybe beantown will revitalize his career. With speed being tough to find this year, I would be surprised to see Albert atop many NFBC drafts this year. You never know, but the SBs will be hard enough to find later on without passing on them early in the first round. Just my thoughts.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:33 am

Pujols was the top NFBC earner this past season. If you are confident his elbow woes will not hinder his production, he is a legit top pick. His only downside is a lack of steals, so if his batting average tails a bit, the guys that get some bags (Wright, ARod) could have similar power numbers but more value from the SB.

Obviously, much of Reyes' and Ramirez' value comes from steals.

As of now, Hanley would be my #1 pick.

[ November 13, 2008, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: ToddZ ]

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:39 am

With speed being tough to find this year, With that said, Juan Pierre went #284.

Something to keep in mind, Greg may or may not agree, is that while the crew assembled to do the draft is a legit group of guys that know what they are doing, they don't have nearly as much experience in the 15-team mixed format as those of you so starved for stuff you are reading these words right now.

And if I have learned anything in my 5-years of NFBC play, it is that the 15-team mixed draft is an entirely different animal than either a deep "only" league (obviously) but also from a 12-team mixed as well.

It is going to be interesting to compare the results from the new on-line 12-teamers this spring.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:40 am

Originally posted by ToddZ:

Pujols was the top NFBC earner this past season. If you are confident his elbow woes will not hinder his production, he is a legit top pick. His only downside is a lack of steals, so if his batting average tails a bit, the guys that get some bags (Wright, ARod) could have similar power numbers but more value from the SB.

Obviously, much of Reyes' and Ramirez' value comes from steals.

As of now, Hanley would be my #1 pick. all of the speculation before our drafts about albert's elbow dropped him to lower 1st round in most drafts. i think everybody thought the cards would suck, and they'ed shut albert down late in the year. as it turned out, he was the typical albert and became a bargain 1st round pick.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:15 am

Originally posted by kentuckythunder:

is anybody surprised to see albert once again at the top? jason bay in the second round is the biggest early round surprise to me. i was a huge bay fan, but it seemed like he lost a lot when all the steroid issues emerged. maybe he just need a change of venue and maybe beantown will revitalize his career. i'm also surprised to see 8 SP's taken before peavy. especially doc, and the injury prone duo of beckett and kazmir. maybe his injury this year scares everyone, but i have a feeling a new team and we'll see the cy young peavy we all know that was drafted in the early rounds last year. Although Hanley and ARod will probably dominate the top pick come March, I would not be surprised to see a few Pujols, Reyes, Wright, and even Sizemore as a #1 pick. It doesen't seem as clear cut as it has in past years.

Also, with Santana not dominating the NL as some hoped last year, and a lot of drafters not liking the size of either Lincecum and Sabathia, pitchers should be very scarce in the first round.

Peavy should drop in this draft. He's leaving the best pitchers park in baseball, arguably the worst division in baseball, and where he lands is still unknown. If the Holliday trade taught us anything, it's that Peavy could go anywhere.

Peavy, on a good day, reminds me of Nolan Ryan. He grunts very loudly after release and can make hitters look futile. Speaking of Ryan, my favorite line about him came from Reggie Jackson. He said, "Every hitter likes fastballs just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing that ice cream down your throat by the gallon. Thats how it feels when Nolan Ryan is throwing fastballs by you."

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:38 am

Peavy can't go anywhere, he has a no-trade clause.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:06 am

Originally posted by ToddZ:

Peavy can't go anywhere, he has a no-trade clause. "Can't go" or "Won't go"?