Trout To DL

[DOUGHBOYS]

Fantasy aside, I'll so miss just watching him play.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Fantasy aside, I'll so miss just watching him play.

Can you imagine being an Angels' fan now? There's nothing else exciting here to watch. Anytime I glanced at an Angels' game it was just to watch a Trout at-bat. It was worth the price of admission. Now? It's not even worth free admission.

[King of Queens]

The Albert Pujols deal looks even worse now:

2017 37 $26,000,000
2018 38 $27,000,000
2019 39 $28,000,000
2020 40 $29,000,000
2021 41 $30,000,000

3000 Hits Bonus: $3 million
763rd HR Bonus: $7 million (doubt he gets this one)
$10 million personal services contract paid after playing contract expires

[Edwards Kings]

According to my list, something like 181 players on the DL as of yesterday, including:

Team Player Status
Arizona Diamondbacks A.J. Pollock, CF Right groin strain (on 10-day DL)
Arizona Diamondbacks Taijuan Walker, P Blister on right index finger (on 10-day DL)
Atlanta Braves Freddie Freeman, 1B Fractured left wrist (on 10-day DL)
Baltimore Orioles Zach Britton, P Strained left forearm (on 10-day DL)
Chicago White Sox Carlos Rodón, P Left biceps bursitis (on 60-day DL)
Cincinnati Reds Anthony DeSclafani, P Sprained UCL, right elbow (on 60-day DL)
Colorado Rockies David Dahl, LF Stress reaction in ribcage (on 10-day DL)
Detroit Tigers Ian Kinsler, 2B Strained left hamstring (on 10-day DL)
Houston Astros Collin McHugh, P Posterior impingement, right elbow (on 10-day DL)
Los Angeles Angels Mike Trout, CF Torn ligament, left thumb (on 10-day DL)
Los Angeles Dodgers Justin Turner, 3B Strained right hamstring (on 10-day DL)
Los Angeles Dodgers Joc Pederson, CF Concussion (on 7-day DL)
Los Angeles Dodgers Alex Wood, P Left SC joint inflammation (on 10-day DL)
Miami Marlins Wei-Yin Chen, P Left arm fatigue (on 10-day DL)
Miami Marlins Martín Prado, 3B Strained right hamstring (on 10-day DL)
Milwaukee Brewers Ryan Braun, LF Strained left calf (on 10-day DL)
New York Mets Seth Lugo, P Partial tear in right elbow UCL (on 60-day DL)
New York Mets Steven Matz, P Left elbow irritation (on 10-day DL)
New York Mets David Wright, 3B Cervical disc herniation (on 60-day DL)
New York Mets Yoenis Céspedes, LF Strained left hamstring (on 10-day DL)
New York Mets Noah Syndergaard, P Torn right lat (on 60-day DL)
New York Mets Jeurys Familia, P Arterial clot in right shoulder (on 60-day DL)
New York Yankees Greg Bird, 1B Right ankle bruise (on 10-day DL)
New York Yankees Aroldis Chapman, P Left shoulder/rotator cuff inflammation (on 10-day DL)
New York Yankees Jacoby Ellsbury, CF Concussion (on 7-day DL)
Oakland Athletics Marcus Semien, SS Right wrist contusion (on 60-day DL)
Pittsburgh Pirates Jameson Taillon, P Groin discomfort (on 10-day DL)
San Diego Padres Manuel Margot, CF Strained right calf (on 10-day DL)
San Francisco Giants Madison Bumgarner, P Left shoulder strain (on 10-day DL)
San Francisco Giants Hunter Pence, RF Strained left hamstring (on 10-day DL)
Seattle Mariners Drew Smyly, P Left arm flexor strain (on 60-day DL)
Seattle Mariners Mitch Haniger, LF Strained right oblique (on 10-day DL)
Seattle Mariners Felix Hernandez, P Right shoulder bursitis (on 10-day DL)
St. Louis Cardinals Álex Reyes, P Right elbow surgery - out for season (on 10-day DL)
St. Louis Cardinals Kolten Wong, 2B Left elbow strain (on 10-day DL)
Tampa Bay Rays Wilson Ramos, C Recovery from right knee surgery (on 60-day DL)
Tampa Bay Rays Shawn Tolleson, P Right elbow surgery - out for season (on 60-day DL)
Tampa Bay Rays Brad Miller, SS Left abdominal strain (on 10-day DL)
Texas Rangers Tyson Ross, P Recovery from thoracic outlet surgery (on 60-day DL)
Texas Rangers Cole Hamels, P Strained right oblique (on 10-day DL)
Texas Rangers Carlos Gómez, CF Strained right hamstring (on 10-day DL)
Toronto Blue Jays J.A. Happ, P Left elbow inflammation (on 10-day DL)
Toronto Blue Jays Francisco Liriano, P Left shoulder inflammation (on 10-day DL)
Toronto Blue Jays Aaron Sanchez, P Right middle finger laceration (on 10-day DL)
Washington Nationals Adam Eaton, CF Torn left ACL - out for season (on 10-day DL)

Sucks. The big guys like Trout and Prado hurt the worst....

[Bronx Yankees]

I'm usually of the mind that injuries are part of the game, there always will be big and untimely injuries, and that injuries are just one more challenge in playing and trying to win at this game we all love. That being said, it does seem like there are more injuries and/or DL stints this year compared to others, although maybe that's just due in part to the new 10-day DL designation. Managing a bench loaded with injured players just seems that much tougher this year.

The Trout injury is a real shame. I only have him on one otherwise floundering DC team, so the injury doesn't really impact me fantasy-wise, but it's sad because he was quietly having an awesome year. By some measures, Trout may have been having his best season ever, and we're all cheated out of seeing what he would have done over the course of a full season. One question his injury raises is whether baseball managers will let guys steal if it is going to result in potential injuries. I'm not saying guys like Villar or Hamilton or Dyson, or even most players, will stop stealing. But, do you want guys like Trout, Harper, Goldie, etc., stealing and running the risk of a thumb/finger/wrist injury? There may not be a definitive right or wrong answer, but I do wonder if an injury like Trout's on a stolen base attempt will impact how games and star players are managed. I hope not, as true five-category performers already are too rare. We'll see, I guess.

Mike

[Big League Wood]

In regards to stealing, I think you are right on.
The head first or Pete Rose slide should only be back to a bag. These guys don't need to take that risk. Besides, the pop up slide is a better tool on many plays anyway.

[KJ Duke]

In regards to stealing, I think you are right on.
The head first or Pete Rose slide should only be back to a bag. These guys don't need to take that risk. Besides, the pop up slide is a better tool on many plays anyway.

A good baserunner will be safe more often going in head first - you can go in harder and grab the bag to not overslide, or you can go under or around tags that you cannot do with a slide. The downside of course; the only time I've ever broken anything in sports was a busted thumb on a headfirst slide on a tag was planted right in front of my hand. Head first is a risk/ reward trade off - but going into 2b/3b/home, I'd go in head-first almost every time on an expected close play.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

In regards to stealing, I think you are right on.
The head first or Pete Rose slide should only be back to a bag. These guys don't need to take that risk. Besides, the pop up slide is a better tool on many plays anyway.

A good baserunner will be safe more often going in head first - you can go in harder and grab the bag to not overslide, or you can go under or around tags that you cannot do with a slide. The downside of course; the only time I've ever broken anything in sports was a busted thumb on a headfirst slide on a tag was planted right in front of my hand. Head first is a risk/ reward trade off - but going into 2b/3b/home, I'd go in head-first almost every time on an expected close play.

You aren't Mike Trout. What should Mike Trout do? Probably not what KJ Duke would have done in his glory days.

[Edwards Kings]

Mike Trout and KJ Duke have never been photographed together....Just sayin!

[KJ Duke]

If KJ Duke had Mike Trout's ability, KJ Duke would play the game hard, he would not play to not get hurt. If certain other players instead want to play the game soft, KJ Duketrout would rather not have those players as teammates.

[Glenneration X]

Curious... what was KJ DukeTrout's ADP? And more importantly, did he represent a good value?

(Sorry Doughy)

[DOUGHBOYS]

Curious... what was KJ DukeTrout's ADP? And more importantly, did he represent a good value?

(Sorry Doughy)

Ha! None needed, Glenn.

I believe that KJDukeTrout would be a more cunning base runner.
He would have a book on each pitcher.
Calculating whether that pitchers 'market' is up or down in holding runners.
He would also be thinking of ways to get to third from first in bypassing second base.
When accomplished, bypassing third for home.
It's been said that one cannot overthink the game of baseball.
KJDukeTrout would go against that flow!

[KJ Duke]

Curious... what was KJ DukeTrout's ADP? And more importantly, did he represent a good value?

(Sorry Doughy)

Volatility would rise, thus according to pricing theory the asset price must come down.
The reduced price could make Duketrout a value!
Or, it might just be a "value trap" (the official wall street term for doughy's not-a-value rants).

[Walla Walla]

All the talk about head first slides got me to thinking about Rickey Henderson. He was a head first slider. 1406 SB and 335 CS. That's 1741 times going head first. He stole 130 one year. I think his best year though was 1986. 130 runs, 28HR, 74 RBI, 87 SB, and 263 Avg. The average is the funny thing. The year before and the year after he hit .300 or close to it.

[DOUGHBOYS]

Segura and Kiermeier went feet first, I believe.
Players get hurt. Plain and simple.

[DOUGHBOYS]

I attended the National Junior College Baseball Championship that is held in our town.
It's an excuse for me to converse with scouts from various Major League teams. I brought up sliding head first.
To a man, none of them had a problem with the head first slide.
Some said that their teams were trying to get kids not to use the pop-up slide as they move up the organizational ladder.
The reason being 'reviewable calls'.
Where it was ok to be a split second off the base with the pop-up slide before, now it is not, so they are discouraging pop-up slides at the top levels.

[Yah Mule]

I attended the National Junior College Baseball Championship that is held in our town.
It's an excuse for me to converse with scouts from various Major League teams. I brought up sliding head first.
To a man, none of them had a problem with the head first slide.
Some said that their teams were trying to get kids not to use the pop-up slide as they move up the organizational ladder.
The reason being 'reviewable calls'.
Where it was ok to be a split second off the base with the pop-up slide before, now it is not, so they are discouraging pop-up slides at the top levels.

First time you did one as a kid, you felt like a big leaguer.

[ToddZ]

I learned how to slide on a blanket on a gym floor. Apparently, my coach got complaints from parents in previous years after their kids came home a little dirtier than normal from sliding practice.

Today, the only sliding I do is down the Main Event standings.

[Edwards Kings]

Slides = Strawberries. By the end of the season, it looked like much ground beef between your knees and hips on one side.

[Yah Mule]

Technique is everything. Watching the Nats and Rangers today, I saw Michael Taylor poorly execute a head first slide and get caught trying to steal second. In the ninth, Pete Kozma caught his spikes sliding into home plate feet first and was gunned down by an awesome 98 MPH strike from Bryce Harper.

[Navel Lint]

I'm more and more convinced that the base itself is a problem. Those things are hard as a rock, with no give to them.

I'm not saying that the bases from 5 or 10 years ago were soft as pillows, but they were slightly "broken-in" and had some "wear" to them. Today's bases do not get that chance.
A base used in the first three innings of a game at Wrigley Field is authenticated and available for purchase in the Cubs gift shop by the 6th inning. Depending on how important the game/match-up is and what demand the Cubs marketing thinks the bases will draw, the Cubs use two or three sets of bases per game.

Obviously I don't want to see "pillows" out there, but I don't think it would hurt to see the bases get softened-up a little.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Heard someone mention the other day that the bases should be softer. Obviously, the cannot be too soft, but this is worth exploring perhaps. This person suggested that a lot of the hand injuries are caused by the bases being too hard.


EDIT. Overlooked above post. Same thing.