2011 Message Board Draft

EA Sports · Post by **EA Sports** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:27 am

First Round

1. Albert Pujols- Glennerationx

2. Carlos Gonzalez- Asumijet

3. Miguel Cabrera- Navel Lint

4. Hanley Ramirez- Raskol

5. Joey Votto- BEF

6. Troy Tulowitzki- headhunters

7. Evan Longoria- Schwks

8. Carl Crawford- Lawrence Liebman

9. Alex Rodriquez- Don M

10. Ryan Braun- DOUGHBOYS

11. Josh Hamilton- Catch

12. Roy Halladay- Head2Head

13. Robinson Cano - emalbright

14. Chase Utley - ToddZ

15. Ryan Howard - GregA

Second Round

16. David Wright - GregA

17. Jose Reyes - ToddZ

18. Matt Holliday - emalbright

[ October 11, 2010, 01:38 PM: Message edited by: emalbright ]

Asumijet · Post by **Asumijet** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:05 am

Any thoughts on whether 32 is too ealy for Carlos Gonzalez? I am not so sure that I wouldn't take him #1 overall. However, the long-term track record is lacking relative to Pujols, HRam, ARod and others.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:18 am

My guess is that Pujols will be a dominant number one pick, but not close to unanimous.

At the Main's, there could be as many as seven or eight different number two picks.

One thing I've noticed in the e-mail draft is that really good hitters are falling to the folks that have the 1-8 picks.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:31 am

Below are the 2010 dollar values for 15 team mixed according to my "system". CarGo was #1 and by a good margin. So he obviously has the talent to be worthy of the FIRST pick, let alone the second.

Then it is a matter of personal strategy and evaluation. Based on his track record, how likely is he to repeat or at minimum, only slightly regress, etc.

gonzalez,carlos $46

pujols,albert $42

votto,joey $40

cabrera,miguel $39

crawford,carl $39

hamilton,josh $37

bautista,jose $37

halladay,roy $33

cano,robinson $32

konerko,paul $32

hernandez,felix $31

braun,ryan $30

holliday,matt $30

wainwright,adam $30

ramirez,hanley $29

rios,alex $28

wright,david $28

beltre,adrian $28

uggla,dan $28

werth,jayson $27

tulowitzki,troy $27

guerrero,vladim $27

longoria,evan $27

choo,shin-soo $26

pierre,juan $26

pence,hunter $26

young,chris_b $26

hart,corey $25

gonzalez,adrian $25

suzuki,ichiro $25

weeks,rickie $24

huff,aubrey $24

weaver,jered $24

oswalt,roy $23

mccutchen,andre $23

teixeira,mark $23

pagan,angel $23

jimenez,ubaldo $23

howard,ryan $23

young,delmon $22

zimmerman,ryan $22

johnson,kelly $22

rodriguez,alex $22

mauer,joe $22

swisher,nick $22

stubbs,drew $22

dunn,adam $22

wagner,billy $22

cruz,nelson $21

young,michael $21

lee,cliff $21

martinez,victor $21

ortiz,david $21

wells,vernon $21

victorino,shane $21

gardner,brett $21

sabathia,cc $20

price,david $20

wilson,brian $20

kemp,matt $20

johnson,josh $20

bell,heath $20

davis,rajai $20

upton,b.j. $20

soriano,rafael $20

verlander,justi $20

hunter,torii $19

prado,martin $19

cain,matt $19

lester,jon $19

abreu,bobby $19

hudson,tim $19

latos,mat $19

fielder,prince $19

mcgehee,casey $19

kershaw,clayton $19

phillips,brando $18

reyes,jose $18

butler,billy $18

mccann,brian $18

carpenter,chris $18

torres,andres $18

hamels,cole $17

ramirez,alexei $17

marmol,carlos $17

jackson,austin $17

rasmus,colby $17

feliz,neftali $17

bourn,michael $17

jeter,derek $17

soria,joakim $17

podsednik,scott $17

ethier,andre $17

posey,buster $17

bruce,jay $17

cahill,trevor $16

heyward,jason $16

scott,luke $15

buchholz,clay $15

upton,justin $15

jones,adam $15

lincecum,tim $15

sanchez,jonatha $15

laroche,adam $15

myers,brett $15

capps,matt $15

cuddyer,michael $14

markakis,nick $14

buck,john $14

napoli,mike $14

sanchez,gaby $14

youkilis,kevin $14

rivera,mariano $14

byrd,marlon $14

rolen,scott $14

santana,johan $13

drew,stephen $13

gomes,jonny $13

granderson,curt $13

lilly,ted $13

utley,chase $13

hanson,tommy $13

kendrick,howard $13

ibanez,raul $13

soriano,alfonso $12

wilson,c.j. $12

marcum,shaun $12

kuroda,hiroki $12

lewis,colby $12

quentin,carlos $12

olivo,miguel $12

gonzalez,alex $11

span,denard $11

furcal,rafael $11

liriano,francis $11

gonzalez,gio $11

lee,carlos $11

lee,derrek $11

danks,john $11

murphy,david $11

headley,chase $11

scherzer,max $11

morneau,justin $11

matsui,hideki $11

loney,james $11

arroyo,bronson $11

infante,omar $11

zobrist,ben $11

scutaro,marco $11

jones,garrett $11

papelbon,jonath $10

haren,dan $10

reynolds,mark $10

davis,ike $10

dickey,r.a. $10

venable,will $10

andrus,elvis $10

ross,cody $10

uribe,juan $10

pavano,carl $10

soto,geovany $10

kubel,jason $10

figgins,chone $10

dempster,ryan $10

axford,john $10

gutierrez,frank $10

drew,j.d. $10

cordero,francis $10

desmond,ian $10

crisp,coco $9

garcia,jaime $9

tejada,miguel $9

kinsler,ian $9

posada,jorge $9

polanco,placido $9

kuo,hong-chih $9

perez,chris $9

braden,dallas $9

romero,ricky $9

billingsley,cha $9

rodriguez,franc $9

ramirez,aramis $9

barton,daric $9

suzuki,kurt $8

kennedy,ian $8

thome,jim $8

ruiz,carlos $8

franklin,ryan $8

aviles,mike $8

garza,matt $8

damon,johnny $8

rodriguez,wandy $8

walker,neil $8

guthrie,jeremy $8

nunez,leo $8

bailey,andrew $8

gregg,kevin $8

santana,ervin $8

wigginton,ty $8

pennington,clif $8

betancourt,yuni $7

guillen,jose $7

garland,jon $7

tabata,jose $7

pierzynski,a.j. $7

gallardo,yovani $7

valverde,jose $7

colvin,tyler $7

overbay,lyle $7

hughes,phil $7

sanchez,anibal $7

willingham,josh $7

stanton,michael $7

hudson,daniel $7

greinke,zack $7

cueto,johnny $6

sandoval,pablo $6

raburn,ryan $6

ordonez,magglio $6

molina,yadier $6

fuentes,brian $6

duensing,brian $6

pena,carlos $6

stewart,ian $6

keppinger,jeff $6

aardsma,david $6

chacin,jhoulys $6

lewis,fred $6

peralta,jhonny $5

lyon,brandon $5

lind,adam $5

ludwick,ryan $5

takahashi,hisan $5

boesch,brennan $5

theriot,ryan $5

lidge,brad $5

benoit,joaquin $5

carmona,fausto $5

pedroia,dustin $5

clippard,tyler $5

jaso,john $5

barajas,rod $5

meek,evan $5

castro,starlin $5

kouzmanoff,kevi $5

burrell,pat $5

hudson,orlando $5

hernandez,ramon $5

gregerson,luke $5

johnson,chris $5

callaspo,albert $4

branyan,russell $4

hensley,clay $4

thornton,matt $4

francoeur,jeff $4

morgan,nyjer $4

belisle,matt $4

vargas,jason $4

richard,clayton $4

borbon,julio $4

pelfrey,mike $4

aybar,erick $4

pettitte,andy $4

stauffer,tim $4

bernadina,roger $4

hill,aaron $4

bard,daniel $4

wieters,matt $4

sanchez,freddy $4

hernandez,livan $4

hall,bill $4

torrealba,yorvi $4

venters,jonny $4

patterson,corey $4

street,huston $4

lowe,derek $4

fowler,dexter $3

blake,casey $3

dotel,octavio $3

marshall,sean $3

anderson,brett $3

hafner,travis $3

ellis,mark $3

rauch,jon $3

cust,jack $3

encarnacion,edw $3

nolasco,ricky $3

montero,miguel $3

smith,seth $3

jones,andruw $3

jenks,bobby $3

glaus,troy $3

inge,brandon $3

broxton,jonatha $3

alvarez,pedro $2

adams,mike $2

niemann,jeff $2

bartlett,jason $2

rivera,juan $2

dejesus,david $2

fukudome,kosuke $2

cabrera,orlando $2

pineiro,joel $2

romo,sergio $2

o'day,darren $2

wood,travis $2

rodriguez,ivan $2

kendall,jason $2

cecil,brett $2

breslow,craig $2

madson,ryan $2

kearns,austin $2

uehara,koji $2

rodriguez,sean $2

hunter,tommy $2

berkman,lance $2

league,brandon $2

strasburg,steph $2

floyd,gavin $2

hairston,jerry $2

zito,barry $2

rollins,jimmy $1

zambrano,carlos $1

bumgarner,madis $1

hanrahan,joel $1

putz,j.j. $1

betemit,wilson $1

morrow,brandon $1

morse,mike $1

hanigan,ryan $1

betancourt,rafa $1

wolf,randy $1

schumaker,skip $1

mcclellan,kyle $1

jones,chipper $1

slowey,kevin $1

baker,scott $1

martin,russell $1

davis,wade $1

matusz,brian $1

hundley,nick $1

casilla,santiag $1

snyder,chris $1

beckham,gordon $1

cantu,jorge $1

[ October 08, 2010, 11:00 PM: Message edited by: ToddZ ]

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:39 am

1.1 Albert Pujols- Glennerationx

1.2 Carlos Gonzalez- Asumijet

1.3 Miguel Cabrera- Navel Lint

1.4 Hanley Ramirez- Raskol

1.5 Joey Votto- BEF

1.6 Troy Tulowitzki- headhunters

1.7 Evan Longoria- Schwks

1.8 Carl Crawford- Lawrence Liebman

1.9 Alex Rodriquez- Don M

1.10 Ryan Braun- DOUGHBOYS

1.11 Josh Hamilton- Catch

1.12 Roy Halladay- Head2Head

1.13 Robinson Cano - emalbright

1.14 Chase Utley - ToddZ

1.15 Ryan Howard - GregA

Second Round

2.1 David Wright - GregA

2.2 Jose Reyes - ToddZ

2.3 Matt Holiday - emalbright

2.4 Mark Teixeira- Head2Head

2.5

2.6

2.7

2.8

2.9

2.10

2.11

2.12

2.13

2.14

2.15

Catch · Post by **Catch** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:35 pm

2.5 Tim Lincecum

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:29 pm

1.1 Albert Pujols- Glennerationx

1.2 Carlos Gonzalez- Asumijet

1.3 Miguel Cabrera- Navel Lint

1.4 Hanley Ramirez- Raskol

1.5 Joey Votto- BEF

1.6 Troy Tulowitzki- headhunters

1.7 Evan Longoria- Schwks

1.8 Carl Crawford- Lawrence Liebman

1.9 Alex Rodriquez- Don M

1.10 Ryan Braun- DOUGHBOYS

1.11 Josh Hamilton- Catch

1.12 Roy Halladay- Head2Head

1.13 Robinson Cano - emalbright

1.14 Chase Utley - ToddZ

1.15 Ryan Howard - GregA

Second Round

2.1 David Wright - GregA

2.2 Jose Reyes - ToddZ

2.3 Matt Holiday - emalbright

2.4 Mark Teixeira- Head2Head

2.5 Tim Lincecum- Catch

2.6 Matt Kemp- DOUGHBOYS

2.7

2.8

2.9

2.10

2.11

2.12

2.13

2.14

2.15

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:39 am

Dan, what did you see in Kemp to keep him in the Top 25? Since we're waiting for the next pick, let's get some commentary on that last pick!

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:50 am

Kemp is more of an athlete than a baseball player. A better fantasy player than field player. He is susceptible to bonehead running plays, throws to the wrong base, and with all that speed, is not a very good base runner.

Management around him, seem to conspire to make 2010 the most uncomfortable year possible for Kemp. With the Manager leaving, and some of the coaching staff quitting, and with the possiblity of a trade, Kemp should go into 2011 with a 'brand new start' type of attitude.

For fantasy purposes, he can still be a monster. Versatile enough, that Torre could not decide where to put him in the lineup.

With more stability next year and an off season not spent dodging the paparazzi, I expect Kemp to be a big factor in fantasy next year.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:31 pm

Here's what Doughboys wanted to say, but he doesn't want the old-schoolers knowing he has secretly come over to the dark side.

If you told me in April that Kemp would end the season with 28 HR and 19 SB, while I would be a little disappointed he dropped his steals total, I wouldn't have been too upset since in general steals totals are a little volatile.

What depressed his value was his low batting average. Granted, BA is always a risk with Kemp as he sustains a .300 level with a contact rate below 80% due to a much higher than average BABIP, but since he has maintained that elevated BABIP for the past several years, it can be considered a skill and therefore "expected".

His low average was due to two factors, His contact rate dipped to 72% and his BABIP fell about 50 points. I am personally more concerned about the increase in strikeouts, as his line drive rate was normal, suggesting there was just some misfortune on balls in play, though it can be argues he did not hit the ball as hard as in the past based on less contact. That is not only was there less contact, but maybe also weaker contact.

Lower BA means fewer runs, RBI and SB opportunities, so there was a domino effect.

Also, Kemp lost 2 SB early on by overliding after originally being safe as well as one prety obviously blown call, so his confidence as well as Torre's may have impacted chances.

To me, the skills are still there. It is all about the batting average with Kemp. While I am concerned about the increase in strikeouts, I expect a bounceback but with an average closer to .285 than .300, dropping him from a risky top-10 pick to a top-20 pick, with top-10 upside.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:31 pm

Whether we're old school or numbers driven, this is what I like most about fantasy baseball.

Fantasy baseball can be approached in different ways, and yet, like our analysis of Kemp, we still arrive at the same place.

BEF · Post by **BEF** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:33 pm

Hey Dan, as Official-Commissioner-For-This-Mock-That-Doesn't-Mean-Anything-But-Will-Be-Entertaining-and-Enlightening, perhaps you can collect everyone's email and then ping them if they don't respond after a day or two?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:22 am

I have most of the e-mail addresses, but that doesn't always work either. I e-mailed Don a couple of times, since there was no response, lets pair ARod with Prince Fielder to give him no worries about power after two rounds.

Lawrence Liebman has got next.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:23 am

1.1 Albert Pujols- Glennerationx

1.2 Carlos Gonzalez- Asumijet

1.3 Miguel Cabrera- Navel Lint

1.4 Hanley Ramirez- Raskol

1.5 Joey Votto- BEF

1.6 Troy Tulowitzki- headhunters

1.7 Evan Longoria- Schwks

1.8 Carl Crawford- Lawrence Liebman

1.9 Alex Rodriquez- Don M

1.10 Ryan Braun- DOUGHBOYS

1.11 Josh Hamilton- Catch

1.12 Roy Halladay- Head2Head

1.13 Robinson Cano - emalbright

1.14 Chase Utley - ToddZ

1.15 Ryan Howard - GregA

Second Round

2.1 David Wright - GregA

2.2 Jose Reyes - ToddZ

2.3 Matt Holiday - emalbright

2.4 Mark Teixeira- Head2Head

2.5 Tim Lincecum- Catch

2.6 Matt Kemp- DOUGHBOYS

2.7 Prince Fielder- Don M

2.8

2.9

2.10

2.11

2.12

2.13

2.14

2.15

[ October 11, 2010, 07:24 AM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

Don M · Post by **Don M** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:54 am

Sorry guys, I was out of town for a few days

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:32 am

Originally posted by Don M:

Sorry guys, I was out of town for a few days No worries Don. You will love Prince Fielder as he plays for a big contract next year. Goodbye Milwaukee, maybe even before the season starts.

Lawrence Liebman · Post by **Lawrence Liebman** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:27 am

Adrian Gonzalez - maybe a tad early, but I'll need power to go with Crawford.

Schwks · Post by **Schwks** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:46 am

Ryan Zimmerman, at the risk of overloading at 3b

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:20 am

1.1 Albert Pujols- Glennerationx

1.2 Carlos Gonzalez- Asumijet

1.3 Miguel Cabrera- Navel Lint

1.4 Hanley Ramirez- Raskol

1.5 Joey Votto- BEF

1.6 Troy Tulowitzki- headhunters

1.7 Evan Longoria- Schwks

1.8 Carl Crawford- Lawrence Liebman

1.9 Alex Rodriquez- Don M

1.10 Ryan Braun- DOUGHBOYS

1.11 Josh Hamilton- Catch

1.12 Roy Halladay- Head2Head

1.13 Robinson Cano - emalbright

1.14 Chase Utley - ToddZ

1.15 Ryan Howard - GregA

Second Round

2.1 David Wright - GregA

2.2 Jose Reyes - ToddZ

2.3 Matt Holiday - emalbright

2.4 Mark Teixeira- Head2Head

2.5 Tim Lincecum- Catch

2.6 Matt Kemp- DOUGHBOYS

2.7 Prince Fielder- Don M

2.8 Adrian Gonzalez- Lawrence Liebman

2.9 Ryan Zimmerman- Schwks

2.10

2.11

2.12

2.13

2.14

2.15

Schwks · Post by **Schwks** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:41 am

Is it me, or does it look awfully good to be in back half of the draft. Imagine pairing a first round pick with Texeira?

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:35 am

joe mauer. catcher. twinkies

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:43 am

1.1 Albert Pujols- Glennerationx

1.2 Carlos Gonzalez- Asumijet

1.3 Miguel Cabrera- Navel Lint

1.4 Hanley Ramirez- Raskol

1.5 Joey Votto- BEF

1.6 Troy Tulowitzki- headhunters

1.7 Evan Longoria- Schwks

1.8 Carl Crawford- Lawrence Liebman

1.9 Alex Rodriquez- Don M

1.10 Ryan Braun- DOUGHBOYS

1.11 Josh Hamilton- Catch

1.12 Roy Halladay- Head2Head

1.13 Robinson Cano - emalbright

1.14 Chase Utley - ToddZ

1.15 Ryan Howard - GregA

Second Round

2.1 David Wright - GregA

2.2 Jose Reyes - ToddZ

2.3 Matt Holiday - emalbright

2.4 Mark Teixeira- Head2Head

2.5 Tim Lincecum- Catch

2.6 Matt Kemp- DOUGHBOYS

2.7 Prince Fielder- Don M

2.8 Adrian Gonzalez- Lawrence Liebman

2.9 Ryan Zimmerman- Schwks

2.10 Joe Mauer- headhunters

2.11

2.12

2.13

2.14

2.15

BEF up, Emory on deck

BEF · Post by **BEF** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:02 am

Boy, it sure didn't take long to figure out that slot #5 is a sucky place to be...

OK, betting on continued growth, health and a .300/30/30 season: Shin-soo Choo

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:11 am

Emory is up. Let's give him an hour more, he is usually a daily guy here.

After that, Russ, Neil, and Glenn-rev your engines!

Raskol · Post by **Raskol** » Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:23 am

I'll take the pleasantly plump CC Sabathia.